sony removed the FAH app from ps3 in 2012 and nothing for ps4 or xbox. by my rough calculation there is probably 500 exaflops available from consoles thats not allowed to do anything right now
Horst Simon, and he was talking about single installation (like Cray Frontier, which is not going to be in operation until 2021, at least, according to the current roadmaps), supercomputer networks and other private datacenters surpassed 1 EF about year or two ago.
technically what u say is true. Although, many ppl in 2013-15 timeframe were projecting exaflop for 2025, they were far far far far off. Frontier is also 1.5 exaflop, probably using enhanced 7nm or better node. 1 exaflop would've easily been possible in 2020 within the same budget and power envelope, if some1 had ordered such a machine.
I read here and there that they have issues with server capacity to actually process all the computing results? So is that Exascale number theoretical or actually what is/got achieved?
As mentioned, it's the total FLOPS of devices that have submitted results in the last 50 days.
The limit on FAH is actually storage bandwidth. They're working with Microsoft Azure to increase capacity - they spun up three 100 TB NVMe servers this week and it's still not enough.
Linus Media Group is actually in the middle of firing up some solid state storage arrays for them to help out a bit, as well as working with their ISP to set up a high bandwidth node. Pretty cool.
Nowhere near enough.. I finished a data set 4 hours ago and I still can't connect to send it and if it doesn't get sent soon it will become invalid. I also can't get new data till it sends the old data and it can take hours to get new data.
Sigh. I overclocked my 6 core i7 to 5.4ghz all core and my 2080ti ftw3 ultra which is already overclocked but I overclocked it in afterburner to +100 power, +157 core and +800 memory
Let's just say my living room temp literally went up 4 degrees and sounded like an airplane was taking off for 2 hours. Now I'm waiting and hoping it doesn't take so long my data becomes invalid.
How about sticking with reports of whether any of this compute capability is actually making any difference at all. How do the results of the compute capability feed into the workflow they have? Is it actually helping, or is it just a huge flight of fantasy to think that this can make a dent in the problem?
The F@H site lists 223 academic papers that apparently derived research benefit from F@H computations. Haven't heard of any major scientific breakthroughs, probably because this kind of research and its application are still in their infancy.
Ratio of CPUs running Windowz to Linux 6.0708233. Ratio of CPU cores running Windowz to Linux 4.4191235.
So Linux users are more likely to buy high core count CPUs. Now if only we had a more complete break down...
BTW: Before someone tries to comment based on my bias, fanboy status, or such, I was pointing out an interesting statistic, not saying someone/thing is good or bad.
The Windows CPU results average 7.56 cores per CPU (3,588,315 / 474,277). Linux systems average 10.39 cores per CPU (811,997 / 78,124). MacOS systems average 5.53 cores per CPU (230,198 / 41,582).
Is it though? F@H includes Hyperthreading if your PC has it as it is a very effective means of loading a Core, they also leave one core inactive during folding so one may still perform mundane tasks. Thus it gives you 7 cores what is surprising is how few over the 'baseline' they total CPU core count is. When both of my PC's on Microsoft based OS have a combined total of 26 CPU's.
13 cores per PC? Is there even a 7 Core (if you divide out the hyperthreading) Or is it a plain Jane 4 core 4770K and a Dual 2660 Xeon.
A 4 core HT 2 way SMT CPU is 8 cores. It's very likely that most Windows machines are running on run of the mill Intel 4 core CPUs that were *very* popular for a decade. A number of 10-12-16 core CPUs would pull the average up slightly to just over 7 cores.
According to https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/flops/ some GPUs have more powerful trancendental function units than others, so the x86 column converts each kind of op to the number of ops it would take on a x86 CPU. (I'm not clear if x86 excludes AMD64 or SIMD extensions like SSE or AVX).
Damn. It's sad that Linux uses are biased further towards Nvidia than are Windows users. Despite AMD's extensive efforts, it really indicates what matters, statistically.
It's an interesting trend, as it shouldn't follow the same "buy from whoever has the fastest gaming card" logic that Windows purchasers tend to go with (even when they're not buying the fastest card).
That's great but the servers are so overloaded it can take hours just to send your results when you finish and hours to get a new set of data and if it takes too long to send your finished calculations they become invalid so you have wasted hours of time letting your PC do the work and hours waiting for new work only for it to be all for nothing.. sigh
How sad! The project's computational power has been greatly diminished since then it seems. Although the chart says based off the last 3 days of active hosts instead of last 50..? Only about 75,000 active CPUs into 30,000 active GPUs? Do they have enough computational power for what scientists want right now? Stop cryptocurrency mining, start crunching for science! https://statsclassic.foldingathome.org/os
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azfacea - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
sony removed the FAH app from ps3 in 2012 and nothing for ps4 or xbox. by my rough calculation there is probably 500 exaflops available from consoles thats not allowed to do anything right nowFlunk - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
I think lack of F@H on new consoles has more to do with the console makers not allowing it.azfacea - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
there was a guy who bet 2000 $ saying we wont get to exaflop by 2020. well is he gonna cough up the money now ??eSyr - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Horst Simon, and he was talking about single installation (like Cray Frontier, which is not going to be in operation until 2021, at least, according to the current roadmaps), supercomputer networks and other private datacenters surpassed 1 EF about year or two ago.azfacea - Saturday, March 28, 2020 - link
technically what u say is true. Although, many ppl in 2013-15 timeframe were projecting exaflop for 2025, they were far far far far off. Frontier is also 1.5 exaflop, probably using enhanced 7nm or better node. 1 exaflop would've easily been possible in 2020 within the same budget and power envelope, if some1 had ordered such a machine.plopke - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
I read here and there that they have issues with server capacity to actually process all the computing results? So is that Exascale number theoretical or actually what is/got achieved?Ian Cutress - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
As mentioned, it's the total FLOPS of devices that have submitted results in the last 50 days.The limit on FAH is actually storage bandwidth. They're working with Microsoft Azure to increase capacity - they spun up three 100 TB NVMe servers this week and it's still not enough.
plopke - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Interesting thank you for the answer :)!Slash3 - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Linus Media Group is actually in the middle of firing up some solid state storage arrays for them to help out a bit, as well as working with their ISP to set up a high bandwidth node. Pretty cool.d0x360 - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Nowhere near enough.. I finished a data set 4 hours ago and I still can't connect to send it and if it doesn't get sent soon it will become invalid. I also can't get new data till it sends the old data and it can take hours to get new data.Sigh. I overclocked my 6 core i7 to 5.4ghz all core and my 2080ti ftw3 ultra which is already overclocked but I overclocked it in afterburner to +100 power, +157 core and +800 memory
Let's just say my living room temp literally went up 4 degrees and sounded like an airplane was taking off for 2 hours. Now I'm waiting and hoping it doesn't take so long my data becomes invalid.
quadrivial - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
For comparison, then ENTIRE top 500 supercomputer list Rmax only adds up to 1.646 exaFLOPShttps://www.top500.org/lists/2019/11/download/TOP5...
voicequal - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Bitcoin network is 100,000,000 Terahash/s1000 ops per hash (rough order of magnitude)
= 100 zettaOPS
SHA256 on Bitcoin doesn't use floating point, so can't technically call them FLOPS.
Kuto8879 - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
i3 6100 / GTX 1050 Ti. Not much, but all of what I have! GO EVERYONE!vladx - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
There's no point until they expand their storage capacity to accommodate the total workload.darkos - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
How about sticking with reports of whether any of this compute capability is actually making any difference at all. How do the results of the compute capability feed into the workflow they have? Is it actually helping, or is it just a huge flight of fantasy to think that this can make a dent in the problem?azfacea - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
why cant we have some fun? what r u doing ruining the fun.and yes for protein folding actually its compute that matters not so much network, memory or other things its a bit like searching for encryption key.
voicequal - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
The F@H site lists 223 academic papers that apparently derived research benefit from F@H computations. Haven't heard of any major scientific breakthroughs, probably because this kind of research and its application are still in their infancy.zodiacfml - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Wouldn't mind contributing GPUs I have here but power is so expensive, costs similar to some places in Hawaii.voicequal - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Best to run in cold climates where you can at least use the heat.Soulkeeper - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
If AMD bothered to still support my older vid cards, or my newer raven ridge laptop, in linux they'd be folding too.Qus - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
This. My older pc uses only CPU because older AMD's GPU does not get any taskswebdoctors - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
About a week ago I started Folding at home. Hopefully my Ryzen 2700x and a Geforce 1080 GPU helped makeup half that number up there :)Does pump out a lot of heat though :(
ballsystemlord - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Here's an interesting statistic:Ratio of CPUs running Windowz to Linux 6.0708233.
Ratio of CPU cores running Windowz to Linux 4.4191235.
So Linux users are more likely to buy high core count CPUs. Now if only we had a more complete break down...
BTW: Before someone tries to comment based on my bias, fanboy status, or such, I was pointing out an interesting statistic, not saying someone/thing is good or bad.
blppt - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Not to nitpick, but if you don't want to be called out for bias, maybe not call Windows 'windowz' or 'windoze'.Slash3 - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Their math is also off.The Windows CPU results average 7.56 cores per CPU (3,588,315 / 474,277).
Linux systems average 10.39 cores per CPU (811,997 / 78,124).
MacOS systems average 5.53 cores per CPU (230,198 / 41,582).
Stragak - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Is it though? F@H includes Hyperthreading if your PC has it as it is a very effective means of loading a Core, they also leave one core inactive during folding so one may still perform mundane tasks.Thus it gives you 7 cores what is surprising is how few over the 'baseline' they total CPU core count is. When both of my PC's on Microsoft based OS have a combined total of 26 CPU's.
13 cores per PC? Is there even a 7 Core (if you divide out the hyperthreading) Or is it a plain Jane 4 core 4770K and a Dual 2660 Xeon.
Stragak - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
But that is only one permutation Out of the half a million.close - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
A 4 core HT 2 way SMT CPU is 8 cores. It's very likely that most Windows machines are running on run of the mill Intel 4 core CPUs that were *very* popular for a decade. A number of 10-12-16 core CPUs would pull the average up slightly to just over 7 cores.ajp_anton - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
The F@h stats report that you linked says 1,554,728 x86 TFLOPS. So is that only for the CPUs? What about all the GPUs also mentioned in the stats?Gc - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
According to https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/flops/ some GPUs have more powerful trancendental function units than others, so the x86 column converts each kind of op to the number of ops it would take on a x86 CPU. (I'm not clear if x86 excludes AMD64 or SIMD extensions like SSE or AVX).Cliff34 - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Forget about amd vs Nvidia. Is Anand ran beating Tom's hardware?Cliff34 - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
I mean to say Anandtech team.Holliday75 - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Looks like it. Anandtech is 17th and Toms is 19th.https://stats.foldingathome.org/teams
Ryan Smith - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Yep. We're still showing Tom's who the boss is!Cliff34 - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Yay!tuxRoller - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Damn. It's sad that Linux uses are biased further towards Nvidia than are Windows users.Despite AMD's extensive efforts, it really indicates what matters, statistically.
Spunjji - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
It's an interesting trend, as it shouldn't follow the same "buy from whoever has the fastest gaming card" logic that Windows purchasers tend to go with (even when they're not buying the fastest card).Klimax - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
How about Rosetta@Home? Works on Covid-19 too (and is interesting for CPU-side). Also there is GPUGrid. (Currently Covid-19 tasks are in planning)axi6ne8us - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Unfortunately my Radeon 5700 XT is useless at FAH under Manjaro Linux.UnNameless - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
How so?djht - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
more like Botnet@Home...d0x360 - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
That's great but the servers are so overloaded it can take hours just to send your results when you finish and hours to get a new set of data and if it takes too long to send your finished calculations they become invalid so you have wasted hours of time letting your PC do the work and hours waiting for new work only for it to be all for nothing.. sighThreska - Monday, March 30, 2020 - link
Lets thank gamers for indirectly bringing about the need for all this horsepower.danwat1234 - Saturday, October 9, 2021 - link
How sad! The project's computational power has been greatly diminished since then it seems. Although the chart says based off the last 3 days of active hosts instead of last 50..?Only about 75,000 active CPUs into 30,000 active GPUs?
Do they have enough computational power for what scientists want right now? Stop cryptocurrency mining, start crunching for science!
https://statsclassic.foldingathome.org/os