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    As a comparison the BOXD945GCLF is around $70 AUD uses the 945GC chipset, a 1.6GHz Atom 230. Basically the same hardware, but in a mini-ITX form factor (possibly actually 17.1mm x 17.1mm as earlier Intel boards). For Lame encoding it is supposed to be twice as slow as the earlier Celeron 220, which was supposed to be twice as fast as a 1.5GHz C7, which in terms of Lame encoding might make this thing comparable to a C7. Have to wait for full benchmarks I guess. Actually have a D201GLY2 and 2 1.5GHz C7's here, just no Atom.

    At least maybe this could be cooled passively. My D201GLY2 came with passive cooling, just hit 80C sitting in BIOS without fans, so it only really worked in a case with some serious fans (not possible in slim ITX cases).

    For a small mac-mini-ish PC, AOpen have some mini PC's that run faster CPU's than the Mac, with DDR2 800 RAM, etc. and about the same size with Optical drive. If you want something really small Via should be releasing an updated Pico-ITX board when the Nano's start rolling out.
  • nubie - Monday, June 2, 2008 - link

    I should think that if you used a proper passive cooler (maybe an HR-05 NB cooler?) the Conroe-L would be fine.

    I know mine (Celeron 430) doesn't really start going above ambient until 3ghz, but I am using a scythe infinity :) (with fan)

    The Atom does sound neat with the "low power usage", too bad this one has a fan, maybe it is the NB producing the heat?

    I like the idea of the Atom, perhaps the dual-core Atom's will up the ante and allow proper decoding.
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    Something like the HR-05 would be way too big. In a case big enough to to use it a 120mm fan would probably do or just screw a 50mm fan on the stock heatsink. I needed something much lower profile. Still tempted to buy a BOXD945GCLF, don't really have a use for it right now though.
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    Unless it has enough power to play 1080i/p content, it is not so useful as a HTPC, might be better off just getting a Mac Mini with a real CPU...
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  • JonnyDough - Saturday, May 31, 2008 - link

    I didn't quite bother to read every comment BUT...

    I agree that no optical drive is a real downer. A laptop slot drive would be nice, surely Asus has orders of cheap bulk laptop DVD drives for their laptop dept.

    Does it come with a backup OS disc? No optical drive + Windows CD = no reinstall without a USB CD-ROM drive?

    Small is good. Loud is not. SILENCE IS GOLDEN.
  • JonnyDough - Saturday, May 31, 2008 - link

    On second thought, what is the true intended application of this? If it's targeting a specific market, perhaps it doesn't need an optical drive. But if they want to market it to the mass home consumer market, they'd better add one.
  • OccamsAftershave - Saturday, May 31, 2008 - link

    Dealers will offer bundled USB ODs for ~$50. Have to live with an additional but portably versatile box, which is on its way to obsolescence like the floppy of 1999 as Blueray and wireless roll ahead. Consumer's choice.
  • lemonadesoda - Friday, May 30, 2008 - link

    This little device looks great. A perfect desktop replacement for office-productivity type work. I would happily replace all the PCs in the office with these. They can screw under the desk so that there is NO deskspace OR floorspace used.

    They just need to be silent. (Metal case... so the CASE becomes the cooler).

    The DVI port had better be dual-link so that it can drive 1920x1200 or better.

    For everyone complaining about no optical drive... huh? This is not supposed to be your primary system. It is your secondary systems that are networked, either by giga wire or by wireless n. You dont need much HDD space... only for apps. Data should be on NAS. You dont need optical. Use network.

    It should COME with a mounting device for screwing UNDER the table, or on a wall, in a cupboard, etc.
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    This little device looks great. A perfect desktop replacement for office-productivity type work. I would happily replace all the PCs in the office with these. They can screw under the desk so that there is NO deskspace OR floorspace used.

    They just need to be silent. (Metal case... so the CASE becomes the cooler).

    The DVI port had better be dual-link so that it can drive 1920x1200 or better.

    For everyone complaining about no optical drive... huh? This is not supposed to be your primary system. It is your secondary systems that are networked, either by giga wire or by wireless n. You dont need much HDD space... only for apps. Data should be on NAS. You dont need optical. Use network.

    It should COME with a mounting device for screwing UNDER the table, or on a wall, in a cupboard, etc.
  • lemonadesoda - Friday, May 30, 2008 - link

    This little device looks great. A perfect desktop replacement for office-productivity type work. I would happily replace all the PCs in the office with these. They can screw under the desk so that there is NO deskspace OR floorspace used.

    They just need to be silent. (Metal case... so the CASE becomes the cooler).

    The DVI port had better be dual-link so that it can drive 1920x1200 or better.

    For everyone complaining about no optical drive... huh? This is not supposed to be your primary system. It is your secondary systems that are networked, either by giga wire or by wireless n. You dont need much HDD space... only for apps. Data should be on NAS. You dont need optical. Use network.

    It should COME with a mounting device for screwing UNDER the table, or on a wall, in a cupboard, etc.
  • Johnmcl7 - Friday, May 30, 2008 - link

    I'm currently running a Dell C400 without the screen or optical drive as an all in one machine which it does well, uses little power, it's pretty much silent etc. It shares files, handles large downloads, outputs to the TV and a USB dock for a variety of devices it's handy to have.

    I like the look of the Apple TV but unfortunately as far as I'm aware you can't run XP on it, hoping to see more systems like it.

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  • thelucster - Friday, May 30, 2008 - link

    Seriously people, what is wrong with you all? You don't need a 3Ghz C2D with 4GB of RAM just to browse the web...

    The previous laptop to what I am running now had a 1.3Ghz Celeron, with 256Mb of RAM (I don't think it was even DDR ram...), a 20GB hard drive and no wireless. Heck it didn't even have USB 2.0!

    I used this machine from 2001 until 2006 for everyday tasks, which included: web browsing, listening to music, doing schoolwork (including a writing Visual Basic .NET application with an Access backend). Ok I admit it wasn't the fastest machine, but Windows XP ran fine on this.

    Now the Asus is much more powerful than this, and the only thing it lacks is an optical drive - but why do we really need these now? You can get an 8GB pendrive for less than £20? If you really need it buy an external one, you can even share it between different computers!

    Now Im not saying that these are going to be suitable for everyone, if you are reading this I expect you are a technical person, so it probably won't be good for you - but thing about people not like you...
  • yyrkoon - Monday, June 2, 2008 - link

    I have an 8-9 year old Compaq presario PII 300 with 384MB of ram in it that will run WIndows XP 'fine'. However saying it is comparable to a C2D with 4GB of RAM(which I just so happen to also own) is silly. The old PII is MUCH slower.

    When you spend 12+ hours a day on a PC for work, and or play, having an up to date PC makes a world of difference. Sure I could personally *deal* with working on my old PII *if* I had to, but thankfully I do not. Hell, just sitting in front of my buddies P4 with 2GB of ram once in a while drives me batty because it is so slow . . .
  • DougC3 - Friday, May 30, 2008 - link

    I can't seem to find its actual dimensions anywhere. Sorry if I overlooked this.
  • DougC3 - Friday, May 30, 2008 - link

    Well, based on size of the USB sockets in the pictures, I estimate the dimensions, in inches, to be about 6.25 x 7.75 x 1 :)
  • Darkk - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    I can see this being a nice option for those expensive Wyse WinTerms with better graphics and processing power. So a lack of optical drive wouldn't be an issue here.

    However, the fan NEEDS to go away. If ASUS can get rid of the fan then the reliability factor have gone up, i.e. not worry about fan failures and noise. Probably what they could do is instead of thin metal cover is thicken it up and use leaf springs to touch the components that needs cooling. This way the entire case becomes a huge heat sink. Hell, put small fins on top of the case which may look sexy and call it The Shark Eee Box.

    ASUS may have something here if they address the fan issue.

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  • mckwant - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    I'm no electrical engineer, but I can't think of any reason this wouldn't work. Boxes similar to what the parent describe are available with mobile celerons and even (I think) dual core procs. Lose the fan, and make it a standard IDE/SATA connector so I can throw in a flash drive if I want.

    While I'm compiling a wishlist, I'd really prefer to see 2G of RAM possible. Whether that's through one or two memory slots is immaterial.

    Having said that, this is pretty workable at the current price point. Get this box much above $300, and I'm out.

    Gaming? No. Linux + xfce + all sorts of system services? You betcha.
  • Voldenuit - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    720p and 1080p h/x.264 is the most vital use I'd have for a HTPC/mini PC.

    If it can't do that, then for me, it's less useful than a paperweight.

    (Wonders if the Via Nano can keep up).
  • autoboy - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    Can it do QAM 1080i Mpeg2 HD? This would make a great little client for SageTV if it could do that. While sageTV has a HD extender, there are some things it doesn't do that is preventing me from getting more than 1. The noise though is gonna be a deal breaker. There should be little reason to have to run that fan very fast.
  • jabber - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    ...like its use if for maybe small offices that want a little more flexibility than a thin client box would give.

    However the constant hassle from staff for an external DVD drive would mean them being replaced pretty quick.

  • Alexvrb - Saturday, May 31, 2008 - link

    It would be perfect for a lot of retailers/wholesalers as a point-of-sale box, as a replacement to the traditional thin client. At my work we have the server doing all the real grunt work for the e-catalog and POS system, so these boxes don't need a ton of horsepower. When we upgraded the system we replaced the server with a much more modern IBM box, and switched the point of sale boxes from old school thin clients to these little Via C7 boxes running WinXP embedded. No optical needed, but they thankfully equipped them with 1GB of RAM so I can keep lots of web pages open. All we do is run the POS client software, IE7, and maybe a little OpenOffice and webmail.

    Basically they bought them because they're small, inexpensive, and very low power. If this Eee box is competitively priced, it would likely be a good choice for this sort of application.
  • chrwei - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    we don't put optical drives in worker-drone PC's here, that's what the network is for.
  • LuxZg - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    @jabber - actualy it's only use could be exactly office PC (and secondary home PC just for net/mail/office). As in our company we barely use CD/DVD units anyway, for 95% of PCs. Everything gets installed and done through network. Actualy, I only use CDs to install Windows and that's it!

    But it still has to be very very cheap machine to use it even for just usual office apps (MS Office, IE, etc).
  • woofersus - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    I guess I could see it as a cheap office computer (if it's actually really cheap) for general web/email/documents and such, but in my experience office users can tend to be pretty heavy multitaskers. Where I work I know this wouldn't be powerful enough for most of our users. In fact once I eliminated users that didn't need to run any adobe apps or quickbooks, I'd pretty much just be left with executive management, who pretty much live in MS outlook all day long.

    It might actually make a decent thin client provided it's a bargain compared to the competition, but it seems not designed for that.

    A secondary home pc for the kids who just want to use IM and the Internet seems like the only consistent application to me. Of course remove the ability to play any games and you're left with teenage girls pretty much. Not a huge market.

    I dunno, maybe I'm underestimating the number of people out there who want to do nothing but surf the internet and check their email, but most of those people are not computer savvy, and won't have any idea what to do about that missing optical drive.
  • chrwei - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    I guess it depends on what they are doing, I have users on P3 800's running Illustrator CS3 and it holds up fine, but the drawings are usually small and vector only and about all they do is measure stuff.
  • rotterdom - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    "While the Eee Box is fast enough to decode DivX/Xvid, it doesn't have the horsepower to do full 1080p H.264. I've found that low bitrate 720p H.264 is possible but with CPU utilization at around 90%. I would've preferred if ASUS had used the mobile Atom processor as its chipset has full H.264 decode acceleration, although I get the impression that it's not quite ready."

    i checked but can't find any mention of the 945gms having h264 decoding, would be strange the core of that chipset is several years old and newer chipsets made by intel do not have that.
  • johnsonx - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    What makes you think the mobile chipset that is to be paired with the mobile Atom is the 945gms? Sounds like an ASSumption to me. If we're going to make ASSumptions, why don't we ASSume that there is a mobile-Atom specific chipset being readied, which just may have H.264 decode acceleration as Anand said?
  • rotterdom - Sunday, June 1, 2008 - link

    apart from
    "At the top we have the Intel 945GMCH,"

    ASSuming might be a bad idea
    not reading is worse

    btw if you check oh lets see every review then you will see that all current atom implemetations come with this chipset

    and yes they are working on a new chipset but that is not likely to be used with this generation

    i ASSume that it will arrive together with the dualcore version in a box with a fruity logo (or 2 boxes one of them looking a lot like a laptop of umpc)
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    What is the RF connector used for?
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  • Visual - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    so is it smaller than the mac mini?
    i hope there will be a bigger version with an optical drive...

    can you do a comparison between this and a mac mini and the latest aopen minipc?
  • mmntech - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    The Mac Mini is going to inherently be better since it has a faster Core 2 Duo processor. It also has a DVD drive built in. However, I think the Mini is still shipping with just an 80gb HDD and it's (probably) more expensive.

    I think what people here who are criticizing the Eee Box's lack of power are forgetting one thing. Most people don't use their computers for high power tasks. An internet/email/word processing box is all most home and office users need. I think the point of these systems is to hook them up to an HDTV in a living room where people can accomplish every day tasks from the comfort of their couch. As an HTPC, it's got plenty of power for music and SD video. Given lacklustre sales of Blu-ray, I don't think people are too concerned with on demand HD content (as opposed to broadcast HD) yet to warrant it being able to output HD video. I didn't like the Eee PC that much but the Eee Box is shaping up to be a nice product. I'd certainly buy one of these.
  • woofersus - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    So, without full hd support, this becomes what? An internet appliance? It can't be a very effective multimedia device. It's not a laptop, so you can't use it to check those important emails on the go while listening to your music. It's not a powerful machine, so no games, no productivity apps much more demanding than msoffice.

    If it's just for surfing the web/checking email, it better be cheaper than what you could build with a bare bones type micro atx platform, and if it's about being compact, it better be a helluva lot cheaper than what I could build on itx. (which for around $400 could be a fantastic media extender/dvd player/dvr/tuner/etc)

    The mac mini works because it's a complete machine. It's a computer. No ifs or buts. They're great for portability without buying a laptop. Mini itx offers this opportunity (although I haven't seen anything with quite the footprint of the mac mini) for pc users who want small and/or portable. What need does this fill? People who just want a dirt cheap computer the size of a router because they can't afford a nice pc? Well with no optical drive this isn't proabably your first/primary machine.

    Am I missing something? Why would I want this?
  • jabber - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    Yep sorry but the lack of internal optical drive limits its appeal to me drastically. They can manage to put them in ITX boxes so whats the problem here?

    Having to have the box a few mm thicker would far outweigh the hassle of having to rig up external drives etc. to use the thing to any great deal. Spoils its potential as a HTPC/media centre too.

    As we have seen with Asus stuff. Best to wait for the Mk2 in 6 months time.
  • Kobaljov - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    Looks promising, but the lack of the optical drive and the noosy fan are a serious disadvantage. The splashot Linux is a good extra.

    Price: the Intel talks about 300 USD configuration, thats will be good (or be cheaper) or compare it with the MSI Titan 700

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  • Doormat - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    There is no good reason this should go for any more. Apple even uses a discrete video solution because it requires H.264 decode (cant do it in software with the CPU in the ATV). I'd love to see a version of this + full 1080p divx/H.264 decoding capabilities and the dual core (4 thread) atom. Would sure make a great cheap PC for $250.

    Anand, please be sure to test power consumption of the eeebox.
  • LuxZg - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    I'll say it like this.

    Here in Croatia, for 350$ (in a local shop, which means that it would realisticly cost more like 250 in US) I can get E2180, 2GB of DDR 800, G31 MBO (Gigabyte one at that), case with PSU, DVDRW and a 250GB SATA disk (7200rpm ofcourse).

    So I'm ready to pay 250-300$ (local value, meaning it should be like 175-210$ in US). Let's be real, it's small, but I'm not paying (too much) extra. It should cost no more than similary configured "normal" desktop.
  • chrwei - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    the other thing you are missing is power usage. the ebox will be half, or less, the power usage, and the cost of power is only going to go up
  • Stromm - Thursday, May 29, 2008 - link

    No Offense, but livin in the US and buying local your items will cost at least $315us.

    Comparing that to the Ebox, we're still missing WinXP, WiFi-N, Bluetooth, DVI and a really small form case.

    Online in the US is not much cheaper, and about the same once shipping is included.
  • nubie - Sunday, June 1, 2008 - link

    He is correct, the equivalent desktop could be cheaper, he just chose the wrong CPU as an example. ~$40 apiece for a Celeron Conroe-L 420 and plain 775 mobo isn't bad, and the celeron 430's I have used will clock to 2.4Ghz with a simple conductive paint strap. Not to mention how lightweight an Atom is (I could be wrong, but I think the Conroe-L is much more powerful clock for clock).

    Not to even mention the d201gly2 "Little Valley" ITX motherboards, which are also Core2 based with a Celeron 220, and are available for $70. The next generation of boards will likely have the Atom, IIRC.

    The real trick is what it would take to get a video card upgrade in the Asus, I think you could use a Mini-express card to PCI-E x1 and a PCI-e video card to upgrade it, but it wouldn't be pretty (I would use a $25 card from ebay, geforce 6200-7300).

    I think the best part is the instant on OS, forget XP, that should satisfy most of the uses for this machine.
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